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Old 12-11-2022, 09:29 PM
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That’s why you should check your oil level at the dealer before you leave.

If you drop it off and come back later, it should have set for at least 15 minutes to have an accurate reading.
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I own a 2020 2.7L and change my own oil. The 6 qts called for by the manual always overfills my dipstick to the twisty part. This is after I let my oil drain for 1+ hours, oil filter removed, in my level garage with the front wheels sitting on 2 inches of board which cancels out my rake. Experimentation shows that 5 qts fills it to the mid of the hash marks so I go with 5 and a bit. It's also really, and I mean really, hard to get an accurate read on the oil level because the dip stick bends into the engine block and picks up oil on the walls making the fill line nearly impossible to read clearly.

Am I not draining it correct I don't know for sure. I drain the oil at least 30 mins after the engine has stopped, it's still quite warm but not scalding. The oil change procedure is so easy on this truck, but the 6 qts and the dip stick just simply do not line up.

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The longer a person waits to check oil, the cooler the oil becomes therefore the lower the level becomes.
Starting it for a minute to drive it from the bay to the parking lot then checking it is likely to give a lower reading than it should be.
I have been recommending that people have a baseline of their own vehicle with a cold engine and use that as their unit of measure. Regardless of what one is doing for errands etc.... the morning oil check is always going to be the same level vs 5 minutes or 15 minutes or while filling up a gas tank which can all offer varied levels of "full".

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Originally Posted by 16IngotFX4
The longer a person waits to check oil, the cooler the oil becomes therefore the lower the level becomes.
Starting it for a minute to drive it from the bay to the parking lot then checking it is likely to give a lower reading than it should be.
I have been recommending that people have a baseline of their own vehicle with a cold engine and use that as their unit of measure. Regardless of what one is doing for errands etc.... the morning oil check is always going to be the same level vs 5 minutes or 15 minutes or while filling up a gas tank which can all offer varied levels of "full".
There are those who are critical and there are those who don't think about it for months.
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Not a 2.7 but my last dealer oil change, I requested 7 qts. be put in not 8+ and they honored the request no questions asked.
That brought the cold level to the bottom of the cross hatch where I wanted it.
Ran for a couple weeks and no drop in level on a morning cold check.
I suspected the 8.8 qts. was just to much on the 5L and would just be purged out.
So far looks like it might be part of the cause of oil passage through the PCV system on this engine.
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I stopped going to the dealer because it took 3 to 4 hours to get done. I tried the Valvoline Quick lube that refused to let the oil drain long enough, and the other Valvoline store over filled the crankcase by 2 quarts.

So, I'm back to doing my own oil changes. I also use a big piece of card board, and take my time. I use a plastic jug to divert the oil straight into the pan. And I have to use my ramps. I'm to old and fat to crawl under the truck without them. I beat the weather issue by always doing my oil changes in the spring and fall.

I've stock piled a couple of filters for each of our vehicles by checking Walmart each time we go. They go pretty quick. For a few months the GM guys could not get filters. The GM dealer was buying filers from one of the quick lube places.
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Originally Posted by Bluegrass
Not a 2.7 but my last dealer oil change, I requested 7 qts. be put in not 8+ and they honored the request no questions asked.
That brought the cold level to the bottom of the cross hatch where I wanted it.
Ran for a couple weeks and no drop in level on a morning cold check.
I suspected the 8.8 qts. was just to much on the 5L and would just be purged out.
So far looks like it might be part of the cause of oil passage through the PCV system on this engine.
I recall earlier discussions with having the suspicion of an over fill condition though Ford didn't come right out to say it. I also recall someone mentioning that,,, once the level came down to the fill mark consumption significantly slowed.

In my younger days I had always wished for greater capacity for the vehicles I once owned. Finally my wish came true. The EBs should have such capacity as our 3rd generation 5.0s.
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Originally Posted by ejk905
I own a 2020 2.7L and change my own oil. The 6 qts called for by the manual always overfills my dipstick to the twisty part. This is after I let my oil drain for 1+ hours, oil filter removed, in my level garage with the front wheels sitting on 2 inches of board which cancels out my rake. Experimentation shows that 5 qts fills it to the mid of the hash marks so I go with 5 and a bit. It's also really, and I mean really, hard to get an accurate read on the oil level because the dip stick bends into the engine block and picks up oil on the walls making the fill line nearly impossible to read clearly.

Am I not draining it correct I don't know for sure. I drain the oil at least 30 mins after the engine has stopped, it's still quite warm but not scalding. The oil change procedure is so easy on this truck, but the 6 qts and the dip stick just simply do not line up.
My 2016 owners manual say the 2.7 engine holds 6 qts. I believe the 2020 does also. I suspect that's what it really should have, based on that. If your dipstick shows overfull after an oil change and you have let the oil drain completely from the engine and put 6 quarts back in it, you should use wherever the oil ends up on the dipstick as the full mark. Using "5 and a bit" versus the engines required 6 because of a dipstick reading is a recipe for disaster.
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Originally Posted by dougg
you adjust .07 qts? you must use a hypodermic needle.
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2.24 oz.,....................would need a good sized needle !!
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Draining oil after a fresh oil change on an engine that has some miles on it will come out dirtier than it went in no matter what engine it is unless it is a brand new engine. I drained the oil out of my 2004 Ranger that was well over a quart over the full mark with only 3 miles on the oil change. The engine probably had about 60,000 miles on it at the time and it came out very dark. Not black like it had 3000 plus miles on it, but the fresh detergents did some cleaning in the 3 miles it was used. I did not reuse the oil. I tried to control the flow so I did not have to drain all of the oil but I dropped the plug into the drain pan and it all gushed out. That is why I do my own oil changes now.

My dipstick on my 2019 2.7 was always about where it is on the OP's dipstick after the oil change. I always let my vehicles drain for a good half hour on an inclined ramp so I knew it had drained. This last oil change was done with a Ronin drain valve installed which prohibits all of the oil to drain. Putting 5 1/2 quarts of oil in with the Ronin valve was right up there at the same place on the dip stick. Too much oil can be very harmful but I am figuring that Ford has some lee way. Ford is also known to not be putting accurate dip sticks in their engines with the 5.0 dipstick issue as an example. If the book calls for 6.0 quarts on a fully drained engine, then putting 6 back in should be safe. Regarding the left over oil due to the Ronin valve, I use Mobil 1 full synthetic and change out my oil around the 4000-4500 mile range due to short winter driving every day. That leftover oil should not be doing any harm.


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