Tow rating??
07-20-2022, 08:16 AM
#21
As for what “Ford” says, that another story altogether.
07-20-2022, 08:36 AM
#22
Tow rating is published in the Ford Towing Guide. Look up your model, WB, engine, drive and axle ratio and there it is. Ford does not say something different. You can tow the tow rating as long as you don't exceed the payload.
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07-20-2022, 08:40 AM
#23
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Ford doesn't print the GCVWR (Gross COMBINED Weight Rating) on the door jamb. Some manufacturers do. My particular truck is rated for 11,500 lbs conventional towing, GCVWR is 17,000 lbs, 5th wheel GCVWR is 16,900 lbs. You won't find those on either sticker on my door jab. I had to search for it in Ford's 2017 tow guide. What is there is the GVWR 7,000 lb rating for the truck itself.
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07-20-2022, 11:14 AM
#24
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I wish Ford would get with the program. GM has for several years now had a GVCW rating with all towing and hitch limits on it on a prismatic door frame sticker in addition to the federally required GVWR sticker.
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07-20-2022, 12:07 PM
#25
Your make/model configuration will have a tow rating given by Ford. It's listed in the F150 towing guide. Here is the 2021 version: https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content..._F150_Dec3.pdf
HOWEVER, this number is largely meaningless. This is because almost all the time, the trailer will have a tongue weight (i.e. the weight the trailer puts on your hitch) that will exceed the truck's payload capacity (i.e. how much weight can be held by the truck itself) well before you reach the towing capacity of the truck.
For example, my truck (19 SCrew XLT Sport 2.7L) has a towing capacity of 7600 LBS. However the sticker on my door says it has a payload limit of about 1450 lbs. In my case with a travel trailer I would always be travelling with my family. My wife+kids+labrador retriever+me weigh about 675lbs total which leaves 775 lbs of payload assuming there is absolutely nothing else in the vehicle. Not even dirt. Tongue weight of a trailer is typically about 13% of it's total weight. The tongue weight of a 7600 lb trailer (the towing capacity of my truck) is approx 0.13 * 7600 = 988 lbs which you can see is well above the 775 lbs of payload capacity I have left in my truck. With my passengers and nothing else in the vehicle I can only tow a trailer with total loaded weight (GVWR) of 5961 lbs.
HOWEVER, this number is largely meaningless. This is because almost all the time, the trailer will have a tongue weight (i.e. the weight the trailer puts on your hitch) that will exceed the truck's payload capacity (i.e. how much weight can be held by the truck itself) well before you reach the towing capacity of the truck.
For example, my truck (19 SCrew XLT Sport 2.7L) has a towing capacity of 7600 LBS. However the sticker on my door says it has a payload limit of about 1450 lbs. In my case with a travel trailer I would always be travelling with my family. My wife+kids+labrador retriever+me weigh about 675lbs total which leaves 775 lbs of payload assuming there is absolutely nothing else in the vehicle. Not even dirt. Tongue weight of a trailer is typically about 13% of it's total weight. The tongue weight of a 7600 lb trailer (the towing capacity of my truck) is approx 0.13 * 7600 = 988 lbs which you can see is well above the 775 lbs of payload capacity I have left in my truck. With my passengers and nothing else in the vehicle I can only tow a trailer with total loaded weight (GVWR) of 5961 lbs.
07-20-2022, 01:53 PM
#26
Am I the only one to notice that the OP is repeatedly stating that he is experienced with towing, yet demonstrates a complete lack of understanding what his door data, the tow guide, and forum members are telling him? This is not someone open to learning.
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07-21-2022, 05:24 AM
#27
Originally Posted by mikeinatlanta
Am I the only one to notice that the OP is repeatedly stating that he is experienced with towing, yet demonstrates a complete lack of understanding what his door data, the tow guide, and forum members are telling him? This is not someone open to learning.
Last edited by karl contreras; 07-21-2022 at 05:33 AM.
07-21-2022, 05:27 AM
#28
Originally Posted by McGuillicuddy
Your make/model configuration will have a tow rating given by Ford. It's listed in the F150 towing guide. Here is the 2021 version: https://www.ford.com/cmslibs/content..._F150_Dec3.pdf
HOWEVER, this number is largely meaningless. This is because almost all the time, the trailer will have a tongue weight (i.e. the weight the trailer puts on your hitch) that will exceed the truck's payload capacity (i.e. how much weight can be held by the truck itself) well before you reach the towing capacity of the truck.
For example, my truck (19 SCrew XLT Sport 2.7L) has a towing capacity of 7600 LBS. However the sticker on my door says it has a payload limit of about 1450 lbs. In my case with a travel trailer I would always be travelling with my family. My wife+kids+labrador retriever+me weigh about 675lbs total which leaves 775 lbs of payload assuming there is absolutely nothing else in the vehicle. Not even dirt. Tongue weight of a trailer is typically about 13% of it's total weight. The tongue weight of a 7600 lb trailer (the towing capacity of my truck) is approx 0.13 * 7600 = 988 lbs which you can see is well above the 775 lbs of payload capacity I have left in my truck. With my passengers and nothing else in the vehicle I can only tow a trailer with total loaded weight (GVWR) of 5961 lbs.
HOWEVER, this number is largely meaningless. This is because almost all the time, the trailer will have a tongue weight (i.e. the weight the trailer puts on your hitch) that will exceed the truck's payload capacity (i.e. how much weight can be held by the truck itself) well before you reach the towing capacity of the truck.
For example, my truck (19 SCrew XLT Sport 2.7L) has a towing capacity of 7600 LBS. However the sticker on my door says it has a payload limit of about 1450 lbs. In my case with a travel trailer I would always be travelling with my family. My wife+kids+labrador retriever+me weigh about 675lbs total which leaves 775 lbs of payload assuming there is absolutely nothing else in the vehicle. Not even dirt. Tongue weight of a trailer is typically about 13% of it's total weight. The tongue weight of a 7600 lb trailer (the towing capacity of my truck) is approx 0.13 * 7600 = 988 lbs which you can see is well above the 775 lbs of payload capacity I have left in my truck. With my passengers and nothing else in the vehicle I can only tow a trailer with total loaded weight (GVWR) of 5961 lbs.
07-21-2022, 05:29 AM
#29
Originally Posted by akulahawk
The door jamb sticker has 3 "weights" printed on it. The GVWR (Gross Vehicle Weight Rating), the FRONT GAWR and REAR GAWR. The GAWR ratings are how much weight each axle can carry separately. The GVWR is the total weight the vehicle can weigh. The GAWR numbers can be higher than the GVWR but you should NEVER exceed the GVWR even if each axle weight is less than what they're rated for.
Ford doesn't print the GCVWR (Gross COMBINED Weight Rating) on the door jamb. Some manufacturers do. My particular truck is rated for 11,500 lbs conventional towing, GCVWR is 17,000 lbs, 5th wheel GCVWR is 16,900 lbs. You won't find those on either sticker on my door jab. I had to search for it in Ford's 2017 tow guide. What is there is the GVWR 7,000 lb rating for the truck itself.
Ford doesn't print the GCVWR (Gross COMBINED Weight Rating) on the door jamb. Some manufacturers do. My particular truck is rated for 11,500 lbs conventional towing, GCVWR is 17,000 lbs, 5th wheel GCVWR is 16,900 lbs. You won't find those on either sticker on my door jab. I had to search for it in Ford's 2017 tow guide. What is there is the GVWR 7,000 lb rating for the truck itself.
07-21-2022, 06:16 AM
#30
The stickers on the door jamb give GVWR and Payload. Always have. They have never given the tow rating, the numbers there have nothing to do with the tow rating, they cannot be added or subtracted or multiplied or divided to derive the tow rating. Why do you keep insisting they do?
Tow rating is published in the Ford Towing Guide. Look up your model, WB, engine, drive and axle ratio and there it is. Ford does not say something different. You can tow the tow rating as long as you don't exceed the payload.
Tow rating is published in the Ford Towing Guide. Look up your model, WB, engine, drive and axle ratio and there it is. Ford does not say something different. You can tow the tow rating as long as you don't exceed the payload.
im confused on the “ford says I can tow 11,500 but my door jamb says XXXX.” Your door jamb won’t tell you how heavy of a trailer you can pull. Exactly what @todd92 says. Open your owners manual, it will refer you to the F150 tow guide, find your specs, there is your max trailer weight.
but as others have pointed out, you will max out your payload prior to that unless you are pulling a trailer similar to a hay trailer that won’t have any hitch weight (the owners manual and tow guide warn you of this multiple times). Lastly, anything over 5k technically requires a WDH.
”Ford” should refer you to your owners manual instead of repeating what they put in tv commercials
