F150 Lightning
06-22-2021, 11:21 AM
#1071
Man, Ford hit a homerun.
I very seriously considered buying a 2021 Limited. Glad I didn't. This truck is going to be far better, except that currently there doesn't seem to be a Limited trim being offered (highest is Platinum).
1. It's quick. I was going to get the PB for not only efficiency, but that it's pretty quick. But Lightning will blow it out of the water.
2. It's definitely going to handle better.
3. It's going to ride better than the 2021s.
4. Much cheaper to operate. (I have 247K miles on my 2011 5.0. Love it, but have spent more on gas than the cost of the truck.)
5. They REALLY hit it out of the park with pricing.
6. The frunk is great. Eliminates the need for a tonneau.
7. Towing capacity is enough.
8. In theory, will be more reliable, though early years will have teething pains. One hesitation with the PowerBoost is that it's complicated: ICE with turbos, complex transmission, integrated motors, hybrid integration is inherently more complicated, etc.
The only reason I haven't placed a deposit is that there isn't a Limited trim yet. Betting that will come in the following year.
Congrats, Ford. You did great. These are going to sell like hotcakes.
I very seriously considered buying a 2021 Limited. Glad I didn't. This truck is going to be far better, except that currently there doesn't seem to be a Limited trim being offered (highest is Platinum).
1. It's quick. I was going to get the PB for not only efficiency, but that it's pretty quick. But Lightning will blow it out of the water.
2. It's definitely going to handle better.
3. It's going to ride better than the 2021s.
4. Much cheaper to operate. (I have 247K miles on my 2011 5.0. Love it, but have spent more on gas than the cost of the truck.)
5. They REALLY hit it out of the park with pricing.
6. The frunk is great. Eliminates the need for a tonneau.
7. Towing capacity is enough.
8. In theory, will be more reliable, though early years will have teething pains. One hesitation with the PowerBoost is that it's complicated: ICE with turbos, complex transmission, integrated motors, hybrid integration is inherently more complicated, etc.
The only reason I haven't placed a deposit is that there isn't a Limited trim yet. Betting that will come in the following year.
Congrats, Ford. You did great. These are going to sell like hotcakes.
06-22-2021, 11:27 AM
#1072
Placed a deposit on the lighting day 1. Would be targeting the Lariat trim if I decide to go through with it .
Never really considered the Cybertruck because of how ridiculous it looked.
HOWEVER. Comparing the tri-motor Cybertruck to the Lightning, it’s really not close. Assuming the Cybertruck specs are pan out, it will be the superior EV truck in nearly every way.
So despite the fact I hate the way it looks, I think I would pursue the Cybertruck between the two. Function over form in this case. All depending on real world results of course. Also, Tesla has zero experience building vehicles that endure truck duties so there’s that. But if the paper specs bear out to reality…
Anyone feel the same way?
Never really considered the Cybertruck because of how ridiculous it looked.
HOWEVER. Comparing the tri-motor Cybertruck to the Lightning, it’s really not close. Assuming the Cybertruck specs are pan out, it will be the superior EV truck in nearly every way.
So despite the fact I hate the way it looks, I think I would pursue the Cybertruck between the two. Function over form in this case. All depending on real world results of course. Also, Tesla has zero experience building vehicles that endure truck duties so there’s that. But if the paper specs bear out to reality…
Anyone feel the same way?
06-22-2021, 11:33 AM
#1074
The 4sec 0-60 is pretty cool, though the 300m range limit has me concerned. We just bought a Mach-E yesterday with the standard battery. Don't feel comfortable being all EV, as it is nice to fill up on trex juice for long trips. Though if Spring of 2022 roles around and my truck produced on 3/19 is still on Ramp 59, then who knows.
Then there is the unibrow....
Then there is the unibrow....
06-22-2021, 12:06 PM
#1075
Senior Member
Ha, MENSA! Reminds me of one of my favorite comics of all time. For those of us old enough to remember Gary Larsen and The Far Side (was there a better comic series?)
Picture a door of a business, with a sign above reading "MENSA Meeting today!" Then, on the door, near the handle, another sign reading "PUSH". Finally, the MENSA member trying to get in, by, you guessed it.....pulling on the door with all his might.
Picture a door of a business, with a sign above reading "MENSA Meeting today!" Then, on the door, near the handle, another sign reading "PUSH". Finally, the MENSA member trying to get in, by, you guessed it.....pulling on the door with all his might.
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06-22-2021, 12:49 PM
#1077
Red Herrings/Fake Problems with EVs
No.
There are 4 fundamental problems with electric vehicles:
- Range
- Recharge time
- Electric Grid capacity
- Environmental issues with battery production & disposal
The first two are problems with the individual vehicle, while the second two are problems with conversion of the fleet.
There are 4 fundamental problems with electric vehicles:
- Range
- Recharge time
- Electric Grid capacity
- Environmental issues with battery production & disposal
The first two are problems with the individual vehicle, while the second two are problems with conversion of the fleet.
Per capita (per person) energy consumption has peaked and is declining. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator...C?locations=US
The increase in distributed power generation (home solar/home wind) and the general need for electrical grid upgrades should also solve grid capacity issues.
06-22-2021, 12:54 PM
#1078
I don't trust Tesla to make a pickup truck - we've got 100 years of truck building intelligence in Ford/GM/Dodge.
That's before any critiques about the CyberTruck's weirdness (looks like it was built for a gamer who has never been to Lowe's) or it's non-union production.
That's before any critiques about the CyberTruck's weirdness (looks like it was built for a gamer who has never been to Lowe's) or it's non-union production.
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06-22-2021, 01:20 PM
#1080
Placed a deposit on the lighting day 1. Would be targeting the Lariat trim if I decide to go through with it .
Never really considered the Cybertruck because of how ridiculous it looked.
HOWEVER. Comparing the tri-motor Cybertruck to the Lightning, it’s really not close. Assuming the Cybertruck specs are pan out, it will be the superior EV truck in nearly every way.
So despite the fact I hate the way it looks, I think I would pursue the Cybertruck between the two. Function over form in this case. All depending on real world results of course. Also, Tesla has zero experience building vehicles that endure truck duties so there’s that. But if the paper specs bear out to reality…
Anyone feel the same way?
Never really considered the Cybertruck because of how ridiculous it looked.
HOWEVER. Comparing the tri-motor Cybertruck to the Lightning, it’s really not close. Assuming the Cybertruck specs are pan out, it will be the superior EV truck in nearly every way.
So despite the fact I hate the way it looks, I think I would pursue the Cybertruck between the two. Function over form in this case. All depending on real world results of course. Also, Tesla has zero experience building vehicles that endure truck duties so there’s that. But if the paper specs bear out to reality…
Anyone feel the same way?
The Cybertruck is designed to attract attention, much like the gullwing doors of the Model X. It’s a look-at-me vehicle.
If you want a Tesla then get a Tesla. Nothing wrong with that but the CT isn’t a practical pickup truck for pickup truck duties.