HamBandit

When the alternator turns, it adds resistance. It gets mechanical energy from the drive belt and turns it into electric. So you are turning fuel into electric. There is losses all throughout the this process, but its needed on a gas car as there needs to be electric

if you do this on an electric car, you are taking electrical energy, turning it into mechanical energy (which is not 100% efficient) and then using that mechanical energy to turn it BACK into electric, which also is not 100% efficient. Not only that, but you now need more power to drive the wheels, as the alternators are robbing energy, meaning you need more power to go the same speed. All for what?

Lets say you are losing 50% energy through that, what do you gain? Nothing, you just wasted energy and added weight

You can't just make energy from nothing. The energy going into the wheels is not wasted, it used to drive the car

think about this, take your idea but instead of putting wheels on the road to drive, replace the wheel with another alternator. Will you get more power out of the battery than what started? Of course not, or we would have unlimited free energy

HamBandit

But you are missing the point there, you are not just getting your money back, you are then getting zero cost electric for the life of the system. And past that, replacing panels, inverts etc is cheap, as all of the cabling and mounting is done

Its reasonable to assume your panels and inverters will last at least 30 years, given that's the warranty terms of most stuff like this. If your payoff is 10 years, you then have 20 years at least of free electric PLUS a check every month for any excess. That excess could also give you as ton of extra money as if inflation and/or the cost of electric increases, you are getting that money in your pocket. The solar is already paid for

I can't think of any investment that will give me that level of returns, and I doubt you can either

Brocar

I am not an engineer but when a wheel is turning it can be made into and electric making device right or no?Same way your car or truck motor works.We are not talking free energy but you have to have your first charge to get the wheels rolling right?After that there is a lot of electric energy that can be made free of charge.Anything that spins can make electric energy correct?Can you please explain to me how a gas engine makes electrical power and keeps it running?I would love to know?

doug97gxe

it's not zero cost.... you still pay something to the electric company .. and it varies on how much energy you make from the panels.. which depends on weather and the direction your roof is facing ... also if you use more than you make

Augster

Now this is interesting: 1 in 5 electric vehicle owners in California switched back to gas because charging their cars is a hassle, new research shows

I would have thought EV buyers would have done their due diligence before purchasing relatively new technology.

Regarding electric rates, my local electric utility here in SoCal provides special EV charging rates:

Winter
WITH $16/mo SERVICE FEE: 29¢/28¢/9¢ on-peak hours/off-peak hours/super off-peak hours (12AM-6AM weekdays, 12AM-2PM weekends)
NO SERVICE CHARGE: 34¢/33¢/22¢ on-peak hours/off-peak hours/super off-peak hours

Summer
WITH $16/mo SERVICE FEE: 60¢/33¢/9¢
NO SERVICE CHARGE: 65¢/38¢/22¢

As a reference, standard rates: 51¢/41¢/33¢

doug97gxe

because people get on forums and social media passionate about EV’s to convince people to buy them and then real world experience u realize that it’s not as great as people say .. there are a set of Tesla owners who have Porsche twitter notifications on and as soon as there is a tweet they start tweeting incorrect information to convince people to buy Tesla

One guy told me that his model 3 was more connected to the road than my manual 911 because it was quiet and he could hear everything .. I couldn’t even give him a proper response I was so confused

Augster

I never realized just how rabid some of the diehard T-boys were until I came across this article: Tesla owner with Mustang Mach-E reports threats on social media from Tesla fans.

Pretty sad.

doug97gxe

oh yeah they are pretty intense and they like to tell you about Tesla's that don't exist yet and the stats on the fictitious tesla

All Hat No Cattle

If you read the article, 70% of that 20% only have 115v outlets in their garage. Charging at 115V with the Ford included charger will only get you 3 miles per charging hour, as plainly explained on the Ford website. That is called a Level 1 charging. So charging, say for 12 hours overnight, will only give you an additional 36 miles of range.

But that same Ford charger can also charge at 230v, by using the 230v adapter plug they give you, and it will plug into a standard 230v electric dryer plug or equivalent. That will give you Level 2 charging, and that is 20 miles per charging hour, giving you 240 miles range in that same 12 hours.

So, yeah, if you have a 50 mile commute every day, and only a Level 1 charge capability, you are screwed. Level 1 charging is mainly for an emergency situation, to plug into 115V somewhere long enough to get to a Level 2 or 3 charger. Like maybe into a Powerboost. It has been done.


https://insideevs.com/news/458175/tf...g-f150-hybrid/

Augster

Yea, I read the article. But you are assuming those 70% had access to a 230V outlet. But many older homes may not have a 230 outlet; my first house built in 1969, did not have one. My brothers house in Marin county, $2.1 mil, built in the early 50’s, doesn’t have one. Many of the homes in older, high density Cali cities, are like this.

Many of those same houses could be retrofitted, for additional costs of course.

In addition, even if a house came with 230/240 outlet for dryer, it maybe located far away from the garage, like my sisters 4,000 sf house, built in 2008, where her laundry room is located on the second floor. They had to pay a contractor to install a Level 2 charger in their home for their Tesla