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Old 05-09-2021, 04:09 PM
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NYC is almost 4 times the population of Kansas .. not to mention wind works in Kansas because well.. its windy there..

i would love to see the amount of energy used by Kansas vs the whole state of NY

Kansas is not a good litmus test for the united states going with wind energy
OK, fair enough. How about all these other states?

The state generating the highest percentage of energy from wind power is Iowa at over 57% of total energy production, while North Dakota has the most per capita wind generation.
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Wind power by state
  • Texas (33,133 MW)
  • Iowa (11,660 MW)
  • Oklahoma (9,048 MW)
  • Kansas (7,016 MW)
  • Illinois (6,409 MW)
As of January 2021, the total installed wind power nameplate generating capacity in the United States was 122,478 megawatts (MW).[3] This capacity is exceeded only by China and the European Union.[4] Thus far, wind power's largest growth in capacity was in 2020, when 16,913 MW of wind power was installed. Following behind it was 2012, which saw the addition of 11,895 MW, representing 26.5% of the new power capacity installed during that year.[1]
According to the National Renewable Energy Laboratory, the contiguous United States has the potential for 10,459 GW of onshore wind power.[40][41] The capacity could generate 37 petawatt-hours (PW·h) annually, an amount nine times larger than current total U.S. electricity consumption.[42] The U.S. also has large wind resources in Alaska,[43] and Hawaii.[44]

In addition to the large onshore wind resources, the U.S. has large offshore wind power potential,[45] with another NREL report released in September 2010 showing that the U.S. has 4,150 GW of potential offshore wind power nameplate capacity, an amount 4 times that of the country's 2008 installed capacity from all sources, of 1,010 GW.[46] Some experts estimate that the entire East Coast could be powered by offshore wind farms.[47]
Sounds like we just need to keep installing wind turbines, like we have been doing for the past 20 years.

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Oh, great, we have come to the point that we are discussing energy sources based on a book written in 2001. By a guy with a PhD in Political Science.

I'll pass on that.

Well , His point being is a logical one.. he sources many engineers, he is in the green movement but he explains that the way we are building it is very vary inefficient.,,, the cart before the horse. The propaganda on energy production is terrible, from Gretta to other various industrys that have an ax to grind , this book puts alot of that to bed by sourcing industry and engineering specialist ,,,
Sorry youll pass. I was surprised also , being that my background Is Mechanical Engineering ..
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Originally Posted by All Hat No Cattle
OK, fair enough. How about all these other states?





Sounds like we just need to keep installing wind turbines, like we have been doing for the past 20 years.

Bet you did not know this. Wind is coming, no matter the opposition.


Problem is the wind is not constant , We need better power storage or build
NG power plants to take up the load variables
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No offense but you’re picking states that hardly have anyone in them .. like I said I would love to see the power consumption in say NY and CA vs TX or KS .. let’s face it the people who are buying Tesla and other EV’s are not in these places you’re listing
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During the 2/2021 cold snap that affected most of the country Texas, which relies heavily on wind power and has a light population density, suffered rolling blackouts and long term outages. Here in Missouri which has virtually no wind power the lights stayed on. The latest figures I could find 77.6% of US power is from petro/coal. Add in the the 16.6% from hydroelectric/nuclear that leaves only 5.8% from wind/solar, not a very big slice of the pie. Even if the US got to a zero carbon footprint it would have almost no impact on total global carbon emissions.
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During the 2/2021 cold snap that affected most of the country Texas, which relies heavily on wind power and has a light population density, suffered rolling blackouts and long term outages. Here in Missouri which has virtually no wind power the lights stayed on. The latest figures I could find 77.6% of US power is from petro/coal. Add in the the 16.6% from hydroelectric/nuclear that leaves only 5.8% from wind/solar, not a very big slice of the pie. Even if the US got to a zero carbon footprint it would have almost no impact on total global carbon emissions.
That's because the very large majority of our power production facilities (wind turbines and generators alike) weren't properly prepared for the cold... Has nothing to do with renewable vs fossil fuels.

I get it, I understand why it happened: why would you winterize something in a state where winter is essentially a myth? But I also understand the alternative: winterization packages are a drop in the bucket of the cost. Folks down here like to tout the fact the cost would just be passed on, but that happens everywhere. Plus, I'll gladly pay a little more to keep my lights on during an unexpected deep freeze.
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No offense but you’re picking states that hardly have anyone in them .. like I said I would love to see the power consumption in say NY and CA vs TX or KS .. let’s face it the people who are buying Tesla and other EV’s are not in these places you’re listing
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Well, I certainly won't take offense, but the guys in Texas might take umbrage at being told that Texas is one of the "states that hardly have anyone in them".

I always thought that Texas was the 2nd most populous state, but what do I know?

Wind power by state
  • Texas (33,133 MW)
  • Iowa (11,660 MW)
  • Oklahoma (9,048 MW)
  • Kansas (7,016 MW)
  • Illinois (6,409 MW)
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