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Per the article cited, the extended range version got 289 miles once. Even assuming it did it every time, getting an 80% charge but leaving 10% at the end, that's 70% --- or ~202 useable miles per charge. I just took the wife and two kids on a road trip to Florida. It was 1,260 miles one way to Venice, FL. That's 6 charges or 3 hours of wasted time drinking coffee and smelling roses. Half the trip was through mountains and uneven ground ... you're not getting 289 miles on a charge there. Oh, and what about all the crap we took down there and back for spring break? That barely fit in the back of the Expedition MAX, so there's no way that would fit in a Tesla.
Teslas are cool commuter vehicles for sure, but they (nor ANY PEV) are no where near close to replacing most gasoline powered vehicles for how Americans use their vehicles, especially pickups.
Well I got my info direct from Tesla website... MotorBiscuit is probably more reliable.
So what did it cost you in gas?
The culture of change towards EVs isn't going to just be in the amount of time you can get somewhere.
It will involve stopping to charge up as well.
The super charge sites will charge the extended range model from 10% to 80% in under 30 minutes...or from 5% to 90% in 37 minutes.
Have a cup of coffee, smell the roses...
This is for a long distance run; not putting around town.
Well I got my info direct from Tesla website... MotorBiscuit is probably more reliable.
I didn't see you counter my figures with actual figures.
So what did it cost you in gas?
That was never an issue. It would have taken me 2-3 trips in the Tesla to haul everything we had in the Expedition. I spent my time on beach instead of sipping coffee at a truckstop.
The culture of change towards EVs isn't going to just be in the amount of time you can get somewhere. It will involve stopping to charge up as well.
The culture of change won't happen until EVs can match ICEs relative to range and refueling time.
For the record: I would LOVE to be able to buy plug-in F150, but the technology to replace an ICE F150 is nowhere near the present time. Hopefully, this WILL change soon.
Personally I look forward to them being available. But at my age I'll probably never own one. I'm 63 and figure I'll buy my last truck sometime in the next 3-5 years. I don't anticipate them being viable for another 10 years or so. But my kids and grandkids will probably love theirs.
I have a 2012 Volt which we bought new, so I have many years of experience driving a hybrid electric vehicle. It has been almost faultless with NO issues with battery life or expected range (and I live in Canada).
I also have a 2019 Lariat. If you could combine the attributes of the Volt with the versatility of a F150, I'd sign right up. Driving electric is special - quiet, torquey, and you can't beat a lifetime 3.9 liters per 100 km fuel consumption number. And yes, this includes gas only trips to Florida at least once a year from Toronto (2021 being an exception).
An all electric F150 would be nice if you could match it with a Tesla-like charging network. My brother brings his Tesla Model 3 from Cincinnati to Ontario and the charging network they have established makes that kind of distance very practical. You plan your recharging sessions, arriving to a pre-arranged charger, all done through the car's software.
Ford was supposed to build out a Tesla like network, but it doesn't seem like they are following through. This failure will doom their rollout. The beauty of the Tesla is that they understand that you don't want to waste too much time when recharging.
I remember how much maintenance vehicles used to need back in the 1960's and automakers have made current gas models practically foolproof, unbelievably economical and almost maintenance free. Electrical vehicles will make things even better for most people. Sure, they won't pull huge trailers over vast distances. But for most people, battery electrics will be practical replacements.
I didn't see you counter my figures with actual figures.
That was never an issue. It would have taken me 2-3 trips in the Tesla to haul everything we had in the Expedition. I spent my time on beach instead of sipping coffee at a truckstop.
The culture of change won't happen until EVs can match ICEs relative to range and refueling time.
For the record: I would LOVE to be able to buy plug-in F150, but the technology to replace an ICE F150 is nowhere near the present time. Hopefully, this WILL change soon.
I'm not here to argue or validate your views nor to force mine upon you as well.
The EV subject matter has been debated at nauseam. Everything from the electrical grid to home charging to precisely what you describe...longer road trips.
Theres one generation that refuses to accept them as the future and another generation that insists on them.
Whether you or I like them, dislike them, or what have you they are coming.
Numerous jurisdictions and countries have mandated solely EV use in near future years.
Oil is becoming an obsolete commodity!
EVs will never match ICEs...they will eventually far surpass them.
When the automobile was invented, there were no roadways to drive on.
Compare then to now...both in terms of infrastructure and vehicle technologies.
What will determine whether an all-electric F150 is feasible will be the marketplace. Not too long ago there were people on this forum that had absolutely no use for a hybrid F150, so they did not buy one.
But everyone else did, in fact, so many people did that F150 hybrids are now in short supply. That 24 mpg swayed a lot of people.
The same thing is going to happen with the all electric F-150. Right now, today, the main complaint about the 2021 Mustang Mach E all electric vehicle is that Ford is not making them fast enough. Call your dealer and try to get a test drive, LOL, I certainly can't.
So what is so special about the MME? How about a 90 MPG equivalent EPA rating, on a 4,500 to 4,900# vehicle.
If Ford can get 1/2 that or better on the battery F150, all the people that tow a landscaping trailer around town, or drive a plumbing truck, etc. will line up to buy it. And the people that drive cross country or tow giant trailers won't buy it. That is how the marketplace works.
Electric motors are coming to the Ford F-150. The 2021 F-150's PowerBoost gasoline-electric hybrid drivetrain comes first, which combines a twin-turbocharged 3.5-liter V-6 engine and a 10-speed automatic transmission with an integrated 35-kW electric motor. The hybrid merely marks the beginning of the F-150's electric embrace. Come model-year 2022, the F-150 will add a true battery-electric drivetrain to its options menu. The model may don the name Everglades (likely cheekily badged EVerglades), or it may just be called the F-150 Electric.
We also anticipate the truck to sport motors at each axle and manage to top 200 miles on a full charge of its surely large battery pack. And that's sure to account for the effects of a reasonable load in the Ford pickup's bed. Hypermile and ditch any extraneous weight, and you'll likely manage an even better figure. Remember, Ford's invested in Rivian, an electric automaker that claims its R1T pickup will travel more than 400 miles on a full charge of its available 180-kWh battery pack.
FoMoCo has maintained for some time now that the first-ever Ford F-150 BEV will debut in 2022. However, it’s fair to wonder if that timeline has changed, especially given the fact that the U.S. International Trade Commission (ITC) just ruled that Ford’s electric F-150 battery supplier – SK Innovation – misappropriated trade secrets against its rival, LG Chem. However, Ford can still obtain batteries from SK for four years, and now the automaker has also confirmed that the Ford F-150 BEV remains on track for a 2022 debut.
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