F150 Lightning
05-18-2021, 01:38 PM
#211
Excellent. What people can't seem to get their heads around is that once the turbine is built, there are no energy costs to make that electricity.
No coal to mine, no oil wells to drill 7+ miles down, No natural gas wells to drill 6 miles down. No uranium to mine in open pit mines or conventional mines.
And that is why electric utilities are going into renewables. Because, no matter what people say, that energy is FREE, as long as the sun shines and the wind blows.
As FREE as the energy that warms your swimming pool or your local lake in the summer.
That is not debatable.
No coal to mine, no oil wells to drill 7+ miles down, No natural gas wells to drill 6 miles down. No uranium to mine in open pit mines or conventional mines.
And that is why electric utilities are going into renewables. Because, no matter what people say, that energy is FREE, as long as the sun shines and the wind blows.
As FREE as the energy that warms your swimming pool or your local lake in the summer.
That is not debatable.
05-18-2021, 02:06 PM
#212
Wow.. The wind turbine is a maintenance pig,, The so after you put into commission a wind turbine you just dont walk away and sing Free oh so Free..and worst when most of them fail no one takes them down,, Wind is never constant very dynamic .. many in The Renewable crowd cant seem to get their head around that once something is built that it needs to be maintained and does have a shelf life on it efficiency. Solar panels need cleaning and repair. The infrastructure for said operation and maintenance is Not Carbon Free..
As for solar panels needing cleaning, in most areas the rain covers most of the cleaning, and just dusting them off once a year is good enough. As for "repair", there really isn't much to repair. The panel either works or doesn't, and if it doesn't then just swap it out.
The NREL stats they have less than a 0.05% failure rate.... https://www.nrel.gov/news/program/20...gradation.html
So not much of this solar panel repair you are talking about is really going on
05-18-2021, 02:20 PM
#213
Source on these wind turbines that are a "maintenance pig"? Compared to what? I'd love to see how much maintenance a wind turbine farm needs compared to something like a coal or nuclear power plant
As for solar panels needing cleaning, in most areas the rain covers most of the cleaning, and just dusting them off once a year is good enough. As for "repair", there really isn't much to repair. The panel either works or doesn't, and if it doesn't then just swap it out.
The NREL stats they have less than a 0.05% failure rate.... https://www.nrel.gov/news/program/20...gradation.html
So not much of this solar panel repair you are talking about is really going on
As for solar panels needing cleaning, in most areas the rain covers most of the cleaning, and just dusting them off once a year is good enough. As for "repair", there really isn't much to repair. The panel either works or doesn't, and if it doesn't then just swap it out.
The NREL stats they have less than a 0.05% failure rate.... https://www.nrel.gov/news/program/20...gradation.html
So not much of this solar panel repair you are talking about is really going on
NREL oh like they dont have an interest in keeping the sham going..another government agency trying to justify its own reason for being.. I use the ASME,, The point being nothing is free,,, the link attached might help..I like the Idea of the power pod and the Freya design concept,,now if we could just get a better Battery,,,,,
05-18-2021, 02:35 PM
#214
05-18-2021, 02:37 PM
#215
Sounds like that report is saying they are pretty darn reliable? Especially given that it says 80% of failures are minor and the immense generating capacity of the turbines they sample
05-18-2021, 02:58 PM
#217
Senior Member
At any rate it will take generations to develop sufficient power supply from alternate energy sources before we can think of justifying EVs as a legitimate alternate to fossil fuels. If we mandate EVs prematurely we are simply scavenging better, higher efficiency applications of alternate power supply by diverting electrical supply to low efficiency EVs achieving a net loss in the rate of fossil fuel displacement. This is counterproductive!
Please stop the pie-in-the-sky BS!
Please stop the pie-in-the-sky BS!
Most people just do not have a clue about what is going on in the energy sector, today, right now.
On Monday, the Wall Street Journal did a large story about how natural gas plants are going to be replaced by huge battery storage complexes, one of which is being built in CA. right now. https://www.wsj.com/articles/batteri...=hp_lista_pos1
Natural Gas, America’s No. 1 Power Source, Already Has a New Challenger: Batteries
A decade after the fracking boom took off, the fuel faces disruption by a new combination on the electric grid: renewable energy and electricity storage
Vistra Corp. owns 36 natural-gas power plants, one of America’s largest fleets. It doesn’t plan to buy or build any more.
Ask this question in 5 years when it might be close to 5 years from hitting the market.
05-18-2021, 03:01 PM
#218
Senior Member
Wow.. The wind turbine is a maintenance pig,, The so after you put into commission a wind turbine you just dont walk away and sing Free oh so Free..and worst when most of them fail no one takes them down,, Wind is never constant very dynamic .. many in The Renewable crowd cant seem to get their head around that once something is built that it needs to be maintained and does have a shelf life on it efficiency. Solar panels need cleaning and repair. The infrastructure for said operation and maintenance is Not Carbon Free..
05-18-2021, 03:19 PM
#220
Senior Member
There isn’t a rational reason to develop offshore windfarms except in recognition that no one wants wind farms in their back yard. Off shore windfarms are each an act of desperation particularly in view of higher than expected development costs, high maintenance costs and shortened life spans as demonstrated in the British off shore ongoing marine wind development experiment.
No rental fees or land costs for the installation.
No neighbors complaining about turbine noise.
Fewer dumb birds crashing into the thing.
There are 95,471 miles of shoreline to choose from, all government owned. There are 14 states on the East Coast, 3 states on the West Coast, and 5 on the Gulf Coast.
The vast majority of the US population is in coastal states, think California, Florida, Texas, New York, New Jersey, etc, all within easy range of wind turbine territory.
And you will have a very hard time stopping people from tapping into that FREE wind energy as seen below.
67,000 turbines
As of January 2021, the U.S. Wind Turbine Database (USWTDB) contains more than 67,000 turbines. These turbines have all been constructed since 1980 in approximately1,500 wind power projects spanning at least 44 states (plus Puerto Rico and Guam).
As of January 2021, the U.S. Wind Turbine Database (USWTDB) contains more than 67,000 turbines. These turbines have all been constructed since 1980 in approximately1,500 wind power projects spanning at least 44 states (plus Puerto Rico and Guam).
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