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I'm not here to argue or validate your views nor to force mine upon you as well.
The EV subject matter has been debated at nauseam. Everything from the electrical grid to home charging to precisely what you describe...longer road trips.
Theres one generation that refuses to accept them as the future and another generation that insists on them.
Whether you or I like them, dislike them, or what have you they are coming.
Numerous jurisdictions and countries have mandated solely EV use in near future years.
Oil is becoming an obsolete commodity!
EVs will never match ICEs...they will eventually far surpass them.
When the automobile was invented, there were no roadways to drive on.
Compare then to now...both in terms of infrastructure and vehicle technologies.
I've already said I will embrace them WHEN they provide performance on par with ICE. But I'm not spending $10 to do the same thing $2 will do, all for an agenda.
Mandating something on paper or in legislation doesn't make it happen. That's a fact that's been proven over and over and over.
Oil will not be an obsolete commodity in either of our lifetimes. The vast majority of everything you use every day comes from oil, whether it's energy in a vehicle, the plastics that make up 80% of the items we buy and use daily, what you wear and even the very computer or phone you're using right now. There are over 6,000 products that are made from petroleum. Oil ain't going anywhere anytime soon.
I sure hope EVs surpass ICE ... but that's not happening any time soon, either.
When the automobile was invented, there were no roadways to drive on.
When fire was invented, there were no frying pans, either. Regardless, you've got 135 years to go before you catch up with how long it took to build roads after the gas engine vehicle was first patented.
Ford's track record on change and technology is poor to say the least.
Tesla's track record sucks outside battery tech. They do batteries great, but have a long way to go in designing cars. Tesla's are great right up to the point they aren't, at which point most cost too much to repair to be worth the money and time.
Originally Posted by roadPilot
If you're implying that there is a plug-in electric F150 on the horizon, don't hold your breath.
What are you expecting in 2022? They've already released a hybrid, and Ford is differentiating the 2022 release from Powerboost, so it being the same hybrid makes no sense. Yes, a non-hybrid seems silly to those of us that take long trips pulling trailers, but of the @800,000 trucks they build each year, how many are only used locally? Answer: Enough to warrant production of a truck with few hundred miles of range.
Originally Posted by Stu Cazzo
Hours upon hours waiting...
The super charge sites will charge the extended range model from 10% to 80% in under 30 minutes...or from 5% to 90% in 37 minutes.
Have a cup of coffee, smell the roses...
Theres now over 4500 super charge stations across the US...
Cheap price to pay for free energy.
30 minutes to 80% is repeated ever time charging needs are discussed. The reality is that's still not a fit for the majority of the population at this time. Most people do not make plans for fueling, they only react when that little orange light comes on. All the charging stations in the world can't fix that because you need 6x the space of fuel stations to accommodate the charge timeframe. The TL;DR is we need 270 times more than the 26,000 currently available public charging stations to meet TODAY'S demand. None of this accounts for growth of the driving population, or for changing technology that will outdate charging stations repeatedly during the next 50 years.
People that study this stuff on an industrial level say we are looking at 7% EV use in passenger vehicles by 2030. That's a far cry from being all EV by 2025 like some countries claim to be shooting for, and much more closely related to where sizeable nations will be in four more years with current and developing battery and charging tech.
What will determine whether an all-electric F150 is feasible will be the marketplace. Not too long ago there were people on this forum that had absolutely no use for a hybrid F150, so they did not buy one.
No, the reason they didn't buy one before was because they didn't EXIST. How could people buy a hybrid F150 before 2021 MY?
The same thing is going to happen with the all electric F-150. Right now, today, the main complaint about the 2021 Mustang Mach E all electric vehicle is that Ford is not making them fast enough. Call your dealer and try to get a test drive, LOL, I certainly can't.
Everybody wants the latest and greatest gadget, not because they NEED it, but because they WANT it. They want the "cool" factor. That's why idiots line up and camp out for days on end for a cell phone.
So what is so special about the MME? How about a 90 MPG equivalent EPA rating, on a 4,500 to 4,900# vehicle.
Doesn't matter if it gets 1,000 MPG when it doesn't have much RANGE. If you don't have access to a FordPass Charging Network station and you charge at home, plan on 15 hours to charge from 240V and 95 hours from 120V.
If Ford can get 1/2 that or better on the battery F150, all the people that tow a landscaping trailer around town, or drive a plumbing truck, etc. will line up to buy it. And the people that drive cross country or tow giant trailers won't buy it. That is how the marketplace works.
And IF a hoppy toad had wings, he wouldn't thump his rear end on the ground, either.
IF the MME weighs 5000# pounds, how much do you think the F150 will weigh? And don't you realize how that will affect it's hauling and towing capacity? I mean, look at the '21 F150 with the 3.5L HEV.
I hope it happens. I really do. And it will ... eventually.
What are you expecting in 2022? They've already released a hybrid, and Ford is differentiating the 2022 release from Powerboost, so it being the same hybrid makes no sense. Yes, a non-hybrid seems silly to those of us that take long trips pulling trailers, but of the @800,000 trucks they build each year, how many are only used locally? Answer: Enough to warrant production of a truck with few hundred miles of range.
I'm not expecting anything. I'm simply saying that it won't be a plug-in F150 on par with the ICE F150s.
And it's closer to 900,000 F-150s built per year (average of last three years). I know, because our HVAC went/goes into ever single one of them.
Some of you guys are funny, even though you don't intend to be.
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Originally Posted by All Hat No CattleView Post
What will determine whether an all-electric F150 is feasible will be the marketplace. Not too long ago there were people on this forum that had absolutely no use for a hybrid F150, so they did not buy one.
No, the reason they didn't buy one before was because they didn't EXIST. How could people buy a hybrid F150 before 2021 MY?
Well, on July 16, 2020, the 2021 thread was started. Then, on August 8, this was posted in that thread.
I do not see this as option everyone will want or need. It sounds like a lot of technology to save a few dollars on fuel and to have an onboard generator. It will take a long time to recover the cost of the unit in fuel savings and an independent generator can be purchased for much less as well. The way I understand it is that if you are running a campsite with it you would have to have your truck running the entire time you would want power thus adding a lot of hours to it use.
I would take a wild guess that he did not buy a Powerboost. But others did. Lots of others.
Doesn't matter if it gets 1,000 MPG when it doesn't have much RANGE. If you don't have access to a FordPass Charging Network station and you charge at home, plan on 15 hours to charge from 240V and 95 hours from 120V.
Sigh.
For owners who plan to charge their vehicle overnight, the available Ford Connected Charge Station is the fastest choice. It would take just about 10.9 hours to charge a Mustang Mach-E from 0% to 100% using a Ford Connected Charge Station. That averages out to about 28 miles of driving range per charging hour.
You can charge at 30 miles an hour at home. If you would simply go to the Mach E forum, you can find out all about it. https://www.macheforum.com
As for range, if this won't work for you, don't buy it. Find something else that will carry 5 people and give you 90 MPG. Simple.
^^^^ well thank you for your refreshing stance on the EV subject matter.
Seems every EV thread or discussion turns into some god awful exchange between people who need to drive 2000 miles without interruption, or the energy grid that can't feed all these electric vehicles.
Electric vehicles are here.
Now for those poor souls who just can't comprehend the battery range of these EVs...
Here is the first cell phone. I had one of these bad boys. We called it a brick phone...as it was as heavy as (actually heavier) than a brick and it was like holding a brick up to the side of your face.
The battery took over 6 hours to charge and lasted 1 hour if you were lucky. The battery was huge and heavy.
Since then (1985) phones have evolved into small tiny slim pieces a little bigger than a credit card, charge up in less than an hour and can last for days.
So if EV battery technology evolves in a similar fashion, imagine where EV technology and range will be in 10 years!
Here's a question, at what point is the energy still not free?
I pay on average over 12 months $170 on electric. I am soon having my roof filled with solar panels, and the panels save me $40 a month, while giving me 110% energy offset
That 10% is free, and go right into an electric car. In fact, more than that 10% is free, since I'm saving $40 a month too, and now can't end up with a rate increase
04-20-2021, 06:48 PM
