F150 Lightning
05-26-2021, 11:17 AM
#621
Senior Member
This is the pain of being an EV fan. The next "battery breakthrough" is always 1-3 years away, and the "REALLY cool and well-priced vehicle that you want instead of the compromise that you can buy today" is also perennially "just around the corner."
That being said, one of the major constraints with today's battery tech is the cost, and most of the increases in range have come from significant manufacturing capacity finally coming online and reducing the cost. Supposedly we're about a year away from reducing battery cost to the point that an EV costs just slightly less than an equivalent gas car and that's a theory I'd put some stock in since costs have been coming down at an accelerating rate and it's based on manufacturing capacity rather than some technology/chemistry breakthrough.
This is partially why the early EVs were so crappy. They were basically $10K econoboxes strapped to a $30K battery. Tesla's big innovation was taking a $40K car and strapping it to a $30K battery and actually making something people wanted rather than trying to match the price of a Honda Accord.
That being said, one of the major constraints with today's battery tech is the cost, and most of the increases in range have come from significant manufacturing capacity finally coming online and reducing the cost. Supposedly we're about a year away from reducing battery cost to the point that an EV costs just slightly less than an equivalent gas car and that's a theory I'd put some stock in since costs have been coming down at an accelerating rate and it's based on manufacturing capacity rather than some technology/chemistry breakthrough.
This is partially why the early EVs were so crappy. They were basically $10K econoboxes strapped to a $30K battery. Tesla's big innovation was taking a $40K car and strapping it to a $30K battery and actually making something people wanted rather than trying to match the price of a Honda Accord.
05-26-2021, 12:06 PM
#622
Senior Member
This is called putting your money where your mouth is. Enough said.
Brian Sozzi
·Anchor, Editor-at-Large
Tue, May 25, 2021, 12:03 PMJ.P. Morgan analyst Ryan Brinkman spent an afternoon in Michigan with the team at Ford (F) that developed the new all-electric F-150 Lightning and came away so impressed, he couldn't help but to upgrade his price target on the automaker's stock.
In fact, Brinkman was more than just a little impressed.
"We were blown away by the ride experience. It is a surreal and unexpected feeling to accelerate from 0 to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds, to tow a 6,000 lbs. trailer up a 30 degree incline, and to perform extreme off-road maneuvers silently in a 6,500 lbs. vehicle. Similar to our first impressions driving the Mustang Mach-E in January, we walked away convinced that as customers, analysts, and investors begin to experience this vehicle first-hand, it will change the way they think about Ford as a brand and as a company," Brinkman said in a research note to clients.
6,500#???
JP Morgan analyst rides Ford F-150 Lightning and is 'blown away' by the experience
JP Morgan analyst rides Ford F-150 Lightning and is 'blown away' by the experience
Brian Sozzi
·Anchor, Editor-at-Large
Tue, May 25, 2021, 12:03 PMJ.P. Morgan analyst Ryan Brinkman spent an afternoon in Michigan with the team at Ford (F) that developed the new all-electric F-150 Lightning and came away so impressed, he couldn't help but to upgrade his price target on the automaker's stock.
In fact, Brinkman was more than just a little impressed.
"We were blown away by the ride experience. It is a surreal and unexpected feeling to accelerate from 0 to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds, to tow a 6,000 lbs. trailer up a 30 degree incline, and to perform extreme off-road maneuvers silently in a 6,500 lbs. vehicle. Similar to our first impressions driving the Mustang Mach-E in January, we walked away convinced that as customers, analysts, and investors begin to experience this vehicle first-hand, it will change the way they think about Ford as a brand and as a company," Brinkman said in a research note to clients.
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Aquapools (05-27-2021)
05-26-2021, 01:38 PM
#625
Coool idea and Kudos to Ford for bringing it out. Personally, No use for one. When we go on trips, it's bad enough having to pull over for fuel at least 3 times (haven't tried it with the new F150 so it may be better), but now you have to wait even longer to charge it? F no.
If I lived in/near the city, didn't go on trips, only had MINOR DIY stuff going on, The Lightning would be great... until I had to get the batteries replaced. F that.
Zee
If I lived in/near the city, didn't go on trips, only had MINOR DIY stuff going on, The Lightning would be great... until I had to get the batteries replaced. F that.
Zee
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7cbreeze (05-26-2021)
05-26-2021, 02:51 PM
#626
Yeah, I mean that is possible, but I've been hearing similar things for over a decade now. I could be wrong but I don't believe they have figured out that kind of battery technology yet, let alone a way to manufacture it efficiently and in large volumes. If they manage that, great, but I'm not holding my breath. I don't think Tesla and others would have made such huge investments in Lithium Ion battery production if they thought it was going to be temporary.
05-26-2021, 03:23 PM
#627
Senior Member
Read up on StoreDot. Israeli company backed by Daimler, BP, and others that has developed a nanoparticle semiconductor layer to replace the graphite layer in standard Li-Ion batteries that increases the electron flow rate for charging. Their technology also gets rid of some of the problems with current Li-Ion tech. They are already sending out test cells that in a two wheel EV can take a 300 mile charge in five minutes. The process can use existing Li-Ion manufacturing equipment. They said with the current infrastructure and no improvements they expect a power cell for a full size EV that can take a 100 mile charge in five minutes by 2025. The new Lightning takes about three hours for that with the 80amp "fast" charger that comes with the 300 mile range upgrade or about 20 minutes using a 150kw fast charging station on the road.
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7cbreeze (05-26-2021)
05-26-2021, 06:29 PM
#628
Senior Member
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Originally Posted by All Hat No Cattle View Post
6,500#???
My Powerboost is 5800, so that makes sense with the battery occupying most of the chassis.
Originally Posted by All Hat No Cattle View Post
6,500#???
My Powerboost is 5800, so that makes sense with the battery occupying most of the chassis.
Hummer must have developed a completely rust-proof frame. They are making it out of lead, LOL. WTF???
Because, when it comes to the weight of the Hummer, IT'S OVER 9,000. GM-Trucks.com on Monday reported that the 2022 GMC Hummer EV Edition 1 will carry a curb weight of 9,046 pounds when it arrives this fall. As the website notes, that's nearly 700 pounds more than a GMC Sierra 3500 HD crew cab with dual rear wheels. 6 days ago
05-27-2021, 01:02 PM
#629
Senior Member
However you feel about the Lightning, pro or con, this happened anyway.
The company also revealed it has amassed 70,000 reservations for its new F-150 Lightning in one week.
05-27-2021, 03:02 PM
#630
Senior Member
Just like anything else in life, its all preferences. Ford will sell hundreds of thousands of them and many will love them. Others, it simply won't work or they hate the idea.
I just think it's cool that Ford continues to lead the market place in most everything they do.
I just think it's cool that Ford continues to lead the market place in most everything they do.
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