F150 Lightning
06-05-2021, 09:10 AM
#781
Two decades from now, no one will know what is meant by 'Fire up the...'!
We always have the option to stumble back out without saying a thing!
We have to ignore the items you put in bold because the two vehicles are not even close to similar in size. For the same reason that an F250 doesn't take as much of a hit pulling the same trailer as an F150 because it sit several inches higher, breaking more wind, that Lexus is significantly larger than the Tesla, breaking more wind for the flat bed with car they were towing.
The grid across most of North America is in good shape, the problem isn't condition, it's capacity, and capacity isn't a roadblock, but it's going to take time to upgrade.
Some like to swing their appendage around as if it makes others believe they are superior humans. On RV forums, you're not a real 5th owner unless you need a heavy duty truck to tow it, or own a diesel pusher. On trucking forums, automatics are for little boys. On boating forums, gotta have at least 5 outboards hanging off the back. Some people believe that everything is about size and quantity, no skill is required for anything less.
Not one of those blowhards can handle a little ol' mountain board, or a power scooter, even though their egos are as big as their waistline.
We always have the option to stumble back out without saying a thing!
We have to ignore the items you put in bold because the two vehicles are not even close to similar in size. For the same reason that an F250 doesn't take as much of a hit pulling the same trailer as an F150 because it sit several inches higher, breaking more wind, that Lexus is significantly larger than the Tesla, breaking more wind for the flat bed with car they were towing.
The grid across most of North America is in good shape, the problem isn't condition, it's capacity, and capacity isn't a roadblock, but it's going to take time to upgrade.
Some like to swing their appendage around as if it makes others believe they are superior humans. On RV forums, you're not a real 5th owner unless you need a heavy duty truck to tow it, or own a diesel pusher. On trucking forums, automatics are for little boys. On boating forums, gotta have at least 5 outboards hanging off the back. Some people believe that everything is about size and quantity, no skill is required for anything less.
Not one of those blowhards can handle a little ol' mountain board, or a power scooter, even though their egos are as big as their waistline.
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06-05-2021, 12:52 PM
#782
Senior Member
On boating forums, gotta have at least 5 outboards hanging off the back.
Now?
06-05-2021, 01:00 PM
#783
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[F2C]MaDMaXX (06-05-2021)
06-05-2021, 01:06 PM
#784
Senior Member
Back on topic.
First the Powerboost, now the Lightning. Ford is out to power the country. From the WSJ, today.
There it is: Bi-directional charging—technology that allows battery-electric vehicles to supply power to the home and, further upstream, to the grid—has the potential to transform the way Americans consume, share, generate and move by electricity, while saving billions in public money.
The utilities crisis in Texas and the wildfires in northern California illustrate a common vulnerability of current infrastructure: Power generation facilities are remote from population centers they serve, relying on thousands of miles of transmission lines and substations, down to the last dismal mile of transformers on wooden poles.
Bi-directional charging addresses these vulnerabilities on three time scales: First and most immediately in the interests of consumers, the technology could help prevent loss of life in weather crises or national disasters. Plugged into the Charge Station Pro device, the F-150 Lightning would act like a Tesla Powerwall on wheels.
Tesla cars do not, as yet, support bi-directional charging—after all, that’s what the Powerwalls are for. But as the national rolling stock transitions to electrification, the wisdom of Ford’s approach will become self-evident. It will make no sense for houses to be dark while days’ worth of electrical power are just sitting in the driveway.
As V2G technology matures, it will be possible for large numbers of BEVs to provide cloudlike energy storage, charging up earlier in the day and surging power during the so-called “duck curve” of demand (5-9 p.m., local), when electrical equipment is most stressed.
V2G-enabled BEVs could also improve resiliency by fostering microgrids—local service areas with some percentage of their own generation, storage and distribution. The state of California is requiring utilities to increase energy storage systems, such as battery farms, at a cost of several billion over the next decade.
But maybe Ford has a better idea?
First the Powerboost, now the Lightning. Ford is out to power the country. From the WSJ, today.
Ford’s F-150 Lightning charger decentralizes the power grid.
WHEN I LOOK at the 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning, I see infrastructure. Some versions of the all-electric F-150 pickup will be able to export up to 9.6 kW of electricity to owners’ homes during service interruptions—enough to last three days, on average, says Ford. To do so, the truck needs to be connected to the Ford Charge Station Pro, an 80-amp device that supports bi-directional charging.There it is: Bi-directional charging—technology that allows battery-electric vehicles to supply power to the home and, further upstream, to the grid—has the potential to transform the way Americans consume, share, generate and move by electricity, while saving billions in public money.
The utilities crisis in Texas and the wildfires in northern California illustrate a common vulnerability of current infrastructure: Power generation facilities are remote from population centers they serve, relying on thousands of miles of transmission lines and substations, down to the last dismal mile of transformers on wooden poles.
Bi-directional charging addresses these vulnerabilities on three time scales: First and most immediately in the interests of consumers, the technology could help prevent loss of life in weather crises or national disasters. Plugged into the Charge Station Pro device, the F-150 Lightning would act like a Tesla Powerwall on wheels.
Tesla cars do not, as yet, support bi-directional charging—after all, that’s what the Powerwalls are for. But as the national rolling stock transitions to electrification, the wisdom of Ford’s approach will become self-evident. It will make no sense for houses to be dark while days’ worth of electrical power are just sitting in the driveway.
As V2G technology matures, it will be possible for large numbers of BEVs to provide cloudlike energy storage, charging up earlier in the day and surging power during the so-called “duck curve” of demand (5-9 p.m., local), when electrical equipment is most stressed.
V2G-enabled BEVs could also improve resiliency by fostering microgrids—local service areas with some percentage of their own generation, storage and distribution. The state of California is requiring utilities to increase energy storage systems, such as battery farms, at a cost of several billion over the next decade.
But maybe Ford has a better idea?
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06-05-2021, 01:57 PM
#786
Dielectrically 5w30
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06-06-2021, 10:30 AM
#788
Presumably they have something similar to solar. “Regular” solar basically tracks your usage and gives you a credit from the utility, and also shuts off when the grid is down for exactly the reason you mentioned, which I always thought was kind of dumb. Apparently the newer stuff has an automatic disconnect that removes you from the utility. Same idea as whole house generators.
06-06-2021, 10:52 AM
#789
Senior Member
You just use a transfer switch (required but not included) same as any other generator system is done. Well, same as any other generator system is supposed to be done. Don't ask don't tell.
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Krakken (06-06-2021)
06-06-2021, 11:07 AM
#790
Tesla's track record sucks outside battery tech. They do batteries great, but have a long way to go in designing cars. Tesla's are great right up to the point they aren't, at which point most cost too much to repair to be worth the money and time.
What are you expecting in 2022? They've already released a hybrid, and Ford is differentiating the 2022 release from Powerboost, so it being the same hybrid makes no sense. Yes, a non-hybrid seems silly to those of us that take long trips pulling trailers, but of the @800,000 trucks they build each year, how many are only used locally? Answer: Enough to warrant production of a truck with few hundred miles of range.
30 minutes to 80% is repeated ever time charging needs are discussed. The reality is that's still not a fit for the majority of the population at this time. Most people do not make plans for fueling, they only react when that little orange light comes on. All the charging stations in the world can't fix that because you need 6x the space of fuel stations to accommodate the charge timeframe. The TL;DR is we need 270 times more than the 26,000 currently available public charging stations to meet TODAY'S demand. None of this accounts for growth of the driving population, or for changing technology that will outdate charging stations repeatedly during the next 50 years.
People that study this stuff on an industrial level say we are looking at 7% EV use in passenger vehicles by 2030. That's a far cry from being all EV by 2025 like some countries claim to be shooting for, and much more closely related to where sizeable nations will be in four more years with current and developing battery and charging tech.
Free energy? Am I on Coast to Coast AM?
What are you expecting in 2022? They've already released a hybrid, and Ford is differentiating the 2022 release from Powerboost, so it being the same hybrid makes no sense. Yes, a non-hybrid seems silly to those of us that take long trips pulling trailers, but of the @800,000 trucks they build each year, how many are only used locally? Answer: Enough to warrant production of a truck with few hundred miles of range.
30 minutes to 80% is repeated ever time charging needs are discussed. The reality is that's still not a fit for the majority of the population at this time. Most people do not make plans for fueling, they only react when that little orange light comes on. All the charging stations in the world can't fix that because you need 6x the space of fuel stations to accommodate the charge timeframe. The TL;DR is we need 270 times more than the 26,000 currently available public charging stations to meet TODAY'S demand. None of this accounts for growth of the driving population, or for changing technology that will outdate charging stations repeatedly during the next 50 years.
People that study this stuff on an industrial level say we are looking at 7% EV use in passenger vehicles by 2030. That's a far cry from being all EV by 2025 like some countries claim to be shooting for, and much more closely related to where sizeable nations will be in four more years with current and developing battery and charging tech.
Free energy? Am I on Coast to Coast AM?